tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556539813450690811.post1906782075256616233..comments2024-01-02T00:38:08.335-08:00Comments on Downtown Eastside Enquirer: A Thousand Israel Supporters Turn Out to "Battle for Truth" Rally in VancouverUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556539813450690811.post-15470832844634954562009-01-16T23:26:00.000-08:002009-01-16T23:26:00.000-08:00There's probably nothing a person like the profess...There's probably nothing a person like the professor at MESA would find too repugnant to excuse, though there are likely many thing she'd never do herself. I've met lots of both over the course of the years, those who will excuse any outrage, and I mean there is no bottom to the evil they'll argue away for the sake of the cause; and I've met some pretty nasty folks,in all, though none who'd go soDaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10664271893389366772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556539813450690811.post-76515788924575761972009-01-16T18:33:00.000-08:002009-01-16T18:33:00.000-08:00Yeah, but what is self-"plagiarism" if you're a se...Yeah, but what is self-"plagiarism" if you're a self-hating Jew?truepeershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16401984575637492845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556539813450690811.post-39173993198303116812009-01-16T10:26:00.000-08:002009-01-16T10:26:00.000-08:00Jennifer, it is so amazing that you wrote above th...Jennifer, it is so amazing that you wrote above that you are the anonymous person who included part of one of your articles on Israel here. We thought briefly that you had been plagiarized by an idiot, but it turns out you had plagiarized yourself! How mistaken we can be at times. And funnier yet is that you didn't take credit for writing what some call Jew-hatred:<BR/><BR/>"While Hamas-fired Daghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10664271893389366772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556539813450690811.post-40507967309999292902009-01-15T11:01:00.000-08:002009-01-15T11:01:00.000-08:00It's not my blog, and I'm not checking or having c...It's not my blog, and I'm not checking or having checked the details of commentators to sort out who is or isn't lying about this or that. As it stands now, I don't believe much I'm reading from the anonymous crowd, not even you, Jennifer. If you'd identitisfied yourself as the writer of your own piece, then I would have taken you somewhat seriously, but not now.Daghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10664271893389366772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556539813450690811.post-29090049917679899832009-01-15T10:03:00.000-08:002009-01-15T10:03:00.000-08:00Hey Dag:Alas, you are wrong regarding your anons. ...Hey Dag:<BR/><BR/>Alas, you are wrong regarding your anons. There are indeed two, with me being the second, "literate" one.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556539813450690811.post-9685445735578054682009-01-14T23:53:00.000-08:002009-01-14T23:53:00.000-08:00Here's the real anon in the lower part of this dis...Here's the real anon in the lower part of this discussion:<BR/><BR/>Israel Has No Intention of Granting a Palestinian State<BR/>If Hamas Did Not Exist<BR/><BR/>By JENNIFER LOEWENSTEIN <BR/><BR/>"...."<BR/><BR/>Laugh? I think I'm going to pass out.Daghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10664271893389366772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556539813450690811.post-9619547270830349842009-01-14T23:50:00.000-08:002009-01-14T23:50:00.000-08:00That's hilarious, in a sick kind of way. I spotted...That's hilarious, in a sick kind of way. I spotted a different "anonymous" writer, assuming there were two, based on the 'literate' style of the second "anon." But to see now that they are the same is too funny! <BR/><BR/>Oh, no wonder she's anonymous. she's likely even scraped the "Anonymous" name off the rock she lives under. <BR/><BR/>I laugh. How low they go.Daghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10664271893389366772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556539813450690811.post-87699758462565531372009-01-14T23:36:00.000-08:002009-01-14T23:36:00.000-08:00Heh, it turns out that Dag and I have been getting...Heh, it turns out that Dag and I have been getting all hot and bothered about a bloody plagiarist, the anon commenter above. Back in my day, you got an automatic fail for this kind of behaviour, and risked being expelled. I say bring it back.<BR/><BR/>http://www.counterpunch.org/loewenstein01012009.htmltruepeershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16401984575637492845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556539813450690811.post-57990172125466346872009-01-14T00:47:00.000-08:002009-01-14T00:47:00.000-08:00LOL, now I think I see Wilf's point, thanks to Dag...LOL, now I think I see Wilf's point, thanks to Dag's passionate reiteration: there is a difference between calling out evil and re-presenting that call for all and sundry. The latter should have some concern for its audience's need to know-:). Our choice is not always or often between rudeness and a police state. Civil society has its own reason which needs to be respected.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, now truepeershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16401984575637492845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556539813450690811.post-50710340345161966552009-01-13T22:43:00.000-08:002009-01-13T22:43:00.000-08:00What a bizarrely incoherant, weird rant which is w...What a bizarrely incoherant, weird rant which is wholly and completely disconnected to anything that I wrote. All those words for what use. I`ve discovered that I`m evil, vain, emotional while I`m oddly assumed to be a girl`. CreepyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556539813450690811.post-48476361190276284602009-01-13T22:13:00.000-08:002009-01-13T22:13:00.000-08:00Wilf, if you were to ask me 'why my outright and m...Wilf, if you were to ask me 'why my outright and more or less unrestrained hostility to the anonymous girl who was trolling here?' (not my blog either, by the way,) my response is that one need not be polite or tolerant of evil.<BR/><BR/>One need especially not be polite or tolerant of blatant, manipulative dishonesty meant for no other reason that to gratify the writer, in this case the girl whoDaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10664271893389366772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556539813450690811.post-53603288083210859952009-01-13T21:12:00.000-08:002009-01-13T21:12:00.000-08:00And since you as well as covenent zoners are parti...And since you as well as covenent zoners are particularly fascinated by protetors, muckracking journalist Max Blumethal has a wonderful video for you interviewing folks who support this assault<BR/><BR/>http://maxblumenthal.com/2009/01/547/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556539813450690811.post-46018433477336728272009-01-13T21:10:00.000-08:002009-01-13T21:10:00.000-08:00It seems to me that your approach has sealed yours...It seems to me that your approach has sealed yourself off uinderstanding and therefore grasping with history and reality here. One point that keeps jumping out, apart from the ceaseless dehumanization of the Palestinians overall, is how "extremist" Hamas apparently is. Now, I hold no brief for Hamas; I've repeatedly criticized them, and have no love for their theocratic mindset (Israel has shown Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556539813450690811.post-14383558621561573942009-01-13T17:17:00.000-08:002009-01-13T17:17:00.000-08:00From your answer, I'm not sure I really made my po...From your answer, I'm not sure I really made my point, but whatever, I'll have to keep working on my communication. Thanks for your responses Truepeers.wilfrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16865169888463795480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556539813450690811.post-64467001261672831422009-01-13T16:40:00.000-08:002009-01-13T16:40:00.000-08:00Wilf,You're right, in as much as no key opens all ...Wilf,<BR/><BR/>You're right, in as much as no key opens all doors. But for that reason you can't expect any one comment to do what you would like. Maybe it will, maybe it won't. <BR/><BR/>There is a lot I would like to be able to do in terms of communicating ideas. I get about five percent of it done given the limits of daily life. If you want to have a conversation, this is not our blog and so truepeershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16401984575637492845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556539813450690811.post-54746616826641947012009-01-13T14:55:00.000-08:002009-01-13T14:55:00.000-08:00Truepeers,I understand you have a point to make ab...Truepeers,<BR/><BR/>I understand you have a point to make about those who stand on the other side of the issue, but I was not talking about that. That wasn't my point. My point was more about dialogue in general between opposing viewpoints, and how it is presented. Maybe it's not the time or place to try to make my point, but since I've opened my mouth, I'll continue and hopefully keep my footwilfrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16865169888463795480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556539813450690811.post-69419168907909538252009-01-13T14:11:00.000-08:002009-01-13T14:11:00.000-08:00If you don't have any sense of right and wrong, wh...If you don't have any sense of right and wrong, why would we care to discuss anything with you?Daghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10664271893389366772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556539813450690811.post-79586454918734953872009-01-13T14:04:00.000-08:002009-01-13T14:04:00.000-08:00I'm a first-time commentor here, and have to agree...I'm a first-time commentor here, and have to agree with wilfr's observation that, "[M]aybe if everyone did a little more of the real and difficult work of looking more closely at our own motivations for needing to include moral outrage when exchanging viewpoints, it may help to encourage a more reasoned response from the likes of anon and others who disagree with us. I can't see that what either Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556539813450690811.post-71771723676208702782009-01-13T14:02:00.000-08:002009-01-13T14:02:00.000-08:00"Strip away the clichés and the vacuous new-speak ..."Strip away the clichés and the vacuous new-speak blaring out across the servile media and its pathetic corps of voluntary state servants in the Western world, and what you will find is the naked desire for hegemony; for power over the weak and dominion over the world's wealth. Worse yet, you will find that the selfishness, the hatred and indifference, the racism and bigotry, the egotism and Daghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10664271893389366772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556539813450690811.post-34936671223009475672009-01-13T10:46:00.000-08:002009-01-13T10:46:00.000-08:00Strip away the clichés and the vacuous newspeak bl...<I>Strip away the clichés and the vacuous newspeak blaring out across the servile media and its pathetic corps of voluntary state servants in the Western world and what you will find is the naked desire for hegemony; for power over the weak and dominion over the world’s wealth. Worse yet you will find that the selfishness, the hatred and indifference, the racism and bigotry, the egotism and truepeershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16401984575637492845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556539813450690811.post-62273839001391656092009-01-13T10:35:00.000-08:002009-01-13T10:35:00.000-08:00I don't know Wilf; my tone was quite intentional, ...I don't know Wilf; my tone was quite intentional, not pure emotion. It seems to me there is a time for deferring passion in order to engage people in conversations that can reveal more of reality to ourselves. And there is a time for judging evil when either there is no hope for serious conversation or when the basic human imperatives for justice are so strong as to demand someone be cast out. truepeershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16401984575637492845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556539813450690811.post-53684690594661898732009-01-13T10:27:00.000-08:002009-01-13T10:27:00.000-08:00The state terror unleashed from the skies and on t...The state terror unleashed from the skies and on the ground against the Gaza Strip as we speak has nothing to do with Hamas. It has nothing to do with “Terror”. It has nothing to do with the long-term “security” of the Jewish State or with Hizbullah or Syria or Iran except insofar as it is aggravating the conditions that have led up to this crisis today. It has nothing to do with some conjured-upAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556539813450690811.post-20700073810781481022009-01-13T03:29:00.000-08:002009-01-13T03:29:00.000-08:00Dag and truepeers,It certainly sounds like you bot...Dag and truepeers,<BR/><BR/>It certainly sounds like you both really know what is right about this conflict between the Israelis and the Palestinians. I have to say though, leaving aside that I couldn't argue with either of you, or anon for that matter, about the facts or the history, the tone of your answers to anon strike me as the same kind of anger, hatred, disgust and "moral attitude", thatwilfrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16865169888463795480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556539813450690811.post-6597622755174129192009-01-13T01:33:00.000-08:002009-01-13T01:33:00.000-08:00It is precisely because we know Gaza is a hell hol...It is precisely because we know Gaza is a hell hole that we feel such repugnance for those who mindlessly encourage the Arab resentment at the fact that Israel has existed and prospered for sixty years. That resentment, like guilt, like all resentment and all guilt, is delusional, whatever seed of genuine injustice from which it springs. When you are full of resentment or guilt you cannot think truepeershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16401984575637492845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556539813450690811.post-64338844832340535332009-01-12T23:21:00.000-08:002009-01-12T23:21:00.000-08:00"It's actually your lack of remorse, callous indif..."It's actually your lack of remorse, callous indifference to the suffering...."<BR/><BR/>This simpering appeal to emotion was empty to start, and now there's more. It's still empty, and so due to the shallowness of the emotion of the anon. writer above. Emotion, to have any validity, requires intelligence, otherwise it's as above, a childish exercise in self-indulgence for the sake only of the Daghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10664271893389366772noreply@blogger.com